The jet size problem
A small problem in finding a setup for my RD500 following a reed conversion
led me to a fundamental carburetor problem.
After rejetting from stock #195 main jets (stock YAMAHA with Mikuni marking)
to #180 (Götz) with #22,5 power jets (using RD/RZ 350 idle jets with
4 mm thread) the engine was running very poorly. The mixture was far too fat
in mid-range and top-end and I was wondering why, because the conversion would
have required a slightly fatter jetting. Then I changed main jets to #170
(Mikuni) and it made no difference at all.
Just before getting nuts I had the idea to measure my jet store – with some
amazing results - .
The Mikuni jet number should indicate the fuel flow which is not the same
scale for all measured jets. Mikuni claims to deliver lots with a maximum
variation of ± #10. This means if you buy a main jet labeled #180 it’s
just sized in the range from #170 to #190.
The jet number is linear dependent from the fuel flow which means a #120
main jet has 20% more fuel flow compared to a #100 jet. Do not mistake fuel
flow with jet bore diameter! This dependency is not linear!
In an older jet chart Mikuni also claimed the jet number to represent the
fuel flow in ccm per minute. This is only true for a special test combination
of fuel, pressure and jet-type. As far as I know nowadays the jets are measured
with air and the difference in pressure (before and after the jet venturi)
leads to the jet number. Obviously the method changed about one decade ago
(I’d guess 1985).
I found that some of my jets had a serious mismatch between label and
fuel flow of #30 numbers and more.
The stock RD500 #195 jets all had a fuel flow of about #165 (present Mikuni
labeling). The #180 jets from Götz had almost the same flow rate as the
#170 Mikuni (#173 and #171). What made it even worse was that the #22,5 idle
jets had a bore which compared to Mikuni #60 power jets (Mikuni number N100606).
With that knowledge I dared reduce the jet size to stock #195 (= front #163,
rear #168) combined with #30 power jets which lead to a usable engine behavior.
For this reason I’d advise anyone who is going to change jetting to make
his own jet measurements. The values will be different but the intention is
to compare "unknown" with "known" jets and to judge if the jet label is in
a valuable range.
I used a rinsing bottle for battery acid (diameter about 70 mm, about 180
mm height) with an 80 mm hose with 5 mm inner diameter (to screw in the jets).
Pour in an exact amount of water (small bucket with scale or letter scales)
and measure the time in which the whole amount has flowed out.
To avoid deviation in measuring you should follow exactly
the following instructions.
- Clean the jet very carefully and pour in a full bottle charge of water
before starting.
- Make about 5 to 10 measures for one single jet. (Typical values would
be: 129s, 125s, 122s, 122s, 121s, 123s, 120s)
- Clean the values from obviously too high/low times (here 129 and 125),
calculate the average time and standard deviation (mean-square error). See
your math teacher or use a scientific calculator to perform that point. (Average
= 121,6 ; standard deviation = 1,14 => The right time is between 120,459
s and 122,74 s with a security of 68,3%)
- The flow rate in ccm per minute is calculated by: 125 [ccm] x 60 /
flow time [s] = flow rate [ccm/s] (121,6 s lead to 61,67 ccm/s). Make the
same calculation for the min/max values of the standard deviation to judge
the accuracy of this single jet measurement.
- Make a diagram (scale paper or PC/EXCEL) where the x-axis is the jet
size (labeled number) and the y-axis represents the flow rate.
- Connect the average points with a straight. This is your reference
straight for future measurements with your special equipment (Here: Y=0.397*X).
- To calibrate your individual testrig to the statement flow rate =
jet label you have to introduce a proportional factor k to convert the straight
to Y=k*0.397*X. For our "good" jets (which are not too far away from our reference
straight) this is calculated: k = Jet No. / Flow rate [ccm/s] (For the jet
#170 with 110,4 s and 67,93 ccm/s the value for k is 2,5024). Calculate the
k value for all jets and use the average k value (here 2,5188) for your converted
reference straight.
- Now you can directly use the measured times to compare to the reference
straight by calculating the corrected flow rate: y = 2.5188 x 125 x 60 / flow
time [s].
My test setup had the disadvantage that you have to measure quite exactly.
If you use a higher test volume (250 ccm) the measurement will be more accurate
but it will double the time you need!
As an example I’ve listed my measurements below.
Jet-Nr.
|
Average
|
Std. deviation
|
Flow rate
|
k-faktor
|
Jet-Nr.
|
Jet Nr.
|
Jet Nr.
|
(Mikuni)
|
125 ccm
|
|
(calculated)
|
|
(calculated)
|
Max.
|
Min.
|
#
|
[s]
|
[s]
|
[ccm/min]
|
[ ]
|
#
|
#
|
#
|
150
|
122
|
1,211
|
61,48
|
2,4400
|
155
|
156
|
153
|
160
|
113,75
|
2,121
|
65,93
|
2,4267
|
166
|
169
|
163
|
165
|
111,857
|
2,2677
|
67,05
|
2,4609
|
169
|
172
|
166
|
170
|
110,4
|
1,91
|
67,93
|
2,5024
|
171
|
174
|
168
|
180
|
109,4
|
3,0956
|
68,56
|
2,6256
|
173
|
178
|
168
|
185
|
102,6
|
2,5099
|
73,10
|
2,5308
|
184
|
189
|
180
|
205
|
94,8
|
1,923
|
79,11
|
2,5912
|
199
|
203
|
195
|
215
|
89,2
|
0,836
|
84,08
|
2,5571
|
212
|
214
|
210
|
270
|
70,4
|
3,4
|
106,53
|
2,5344
|
268
|
282
|
256
|
|
|
|
Average k=
|
2,5188
|
|
|
|
Table 1.: Jetsize measurement for the in-range-jets
Jet-Nr.
|
Average
|
Std. deviation
|
Flow rate
|
k-faktor
|
Jet-Nr.
|
Jet Nr.
|
Jet Nr.
|
(Mikuni)
|
125 ccm
|
|
(calculated)
|
|
(calculated)
|
Max.
|
Min.
|
#
|
[s]
|
[s]
|
[ccm/min]
|
[ ]
|
#
|
#
|
#
|
195
|
112,75
|
3,507
|
66,52
|
2,9315
|
168
|
173
|
162
|
195
|
116
|
2,16
|
64,66
|
3,0160
|
163
|
166
|
160
|
195
|
116
|
0,81
|
64,66
|
3,0160
|
163
|
164
|
162
|
195
|
114,8
|
1,3
|
65,33
|
2,9848
|
165
|
166
|
163
|
260
|
92,25
|
1,5
|
81,30
|
3,1980
|
205
|
208
|
202
|
280
|
73,75
|
1,8
|
101,69
|
2,7533
|
256
|
263
|
250
|
|
|
|
(Average k=
|
2,9833)
|
|
|
|
Table 2.: Jetsize measurement II (Out-of-range jets)
Figure 1.: Reference straight for the corrected flow rate
The conclusion out of the whole thing is: Do not trust any jetting specifications
without comparing it to own experience or at least two other independent origins.
If you want to find a carb setup use a complete set of new jets purchased
completely from one source. Do not work with old jets unless you’ve measured
them thoroughly.
Wolfenbüttel/Germany May 98
Martin Kieltsch
If you have any questions concerning this stuff or RD500 RD/RZ350 tuning
specs:
Martin Kieltsch
(You can mail in English and what is even more appreciated in German)